CHURCH
AND STATE
Just the other day some information came
to me: The attorney general of Oregon has declared Rajneeshpuram
illegal. The reason that he has given is that here in
Rajneeshpuram, religion and state are mixed. Now, in
the first place, our religion has nothing to do with
any religion that has ever existed on the earth. It
is just a legal necessity that we have to declare that
we are a religion; otherwise, you cannot find such an
irreligious commune in the whole world. What religion
is there? No God, no Holy Ghost, no Jesus Christ, no
pope, no prayer, nobody concerned at all about death.
Everybody is so much involved with life, who has time?
In fact, even if death comes to my people, she will
have to wait. My people are so involved in living that
even death will have to consider . . . She can take
people easily who have been dead for thirty, forty,
or fifty years. It is not a problem for death, there
is no need to be concerned; they just have to be carried
away. They have lived posthumous lives long enough.
Perhaps death is too busy—must be. This planet
and fifty thousand other planets have life; and no religion
has said that there are even associates, deputies, of
death. Death is alone. Poor death needs a great bureaucracy,
and she is doing the whole job all alone. So of course
many people die when they are near about thirty years
of age, and then they have to wait for forty, fifty
years, or sixty years, when their number comes up. What
can death do? She has not yet cleaned out the old pending
files, and you go on dying. But with my people death
will be surprised. These are living people, so involved
in life that they have not even bothered about death.
She will have second thoughts before she can take you.
She may think, "It is better to let me first finish
the pending job, which is unending. These people can
be taken later on; let them live a little more."
What kind of religion is this? I have called it a religionless
religion. I have called it religiousness. Here there
is no sermon. Certainly my talks cannot be called sermons.
You can call them antisermons. What religion do they
think is here, which is interfering with the state?
And what state is there? In the first place we are not
a religion defined by any dictionary in the whole world.
We will have to create our own dictionary, our own definitions.
And what state is there? Just a city council, which
has to take care of the roads, of cleanliness, of the
houses, of the hospital. How is religion going to interfere
with the roads? I have tried hard but cannot figure
it out: how to mix religion with roads? How to mix religion
with houses? How to mix religion with hospitals, with
medicines, with injections? They should give us some
clue as to how they do it. Because here, no religious
priest even goes to our hospital to bore the patients.
Those people write on their dollar, "We trust in
God." On the dollar! Who is mixing religion with
state? You are mixing religion even with the dirty dollar!
In front of the Supreme Court it is written, "We
trust in God." If someday I happen to be in the
Supreme Court—it is very possible, I may manage
it—then I am going to ask them, "Where is
God? And on what authority have you written this? And
if at the very gate there is a lie, you cannot ask me
to take the oath for the truth. Rather, ask me to take
the oath to only speak lies and not truth"—because
the greatest lie is there.just at the gate of the Supreme
Court. On every dollar bill is the great lie: We trust
in God. These people go on mixing religion in every
way, but they are legal. I don't have any way to mix
my religion with anything, it is so unmixable. This
is the only legal city in the whole world. If mixing
religion makes a city illegal, then all the cities of
the world are illegal because everywhere religion is
mixed. This is the only place where religion is not
mixed at all. Religion, in fact, does not exist here
at all.
AFTER SEVERAL APPEALS, THE LEGALITY OF THE CITY OF RAJNEESHPURAM
was finally upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in May
1988, after Osho had been back in India for almost two
years.
1983:
CITYWIDE AIDS TESTING
Osho is still in silence and seclusion,
but when his doctor informs him about the development
of the AIDS epidemic, he suggests that the City of Rajneeshpumm
initiate universal testing for all residents and visitors.
He further recommends that people take precautions to
avoid infection with the virus, including use of condoms,
using latex gloves in foreplay that involves contact
with body fluids, and avoidance of kissing. At the time,
these measures are considered to be extreme and even
absurd, and provoke ridicule by the media. Members of
the community who are found to be HIV positive are secluded
in separate housing and provided with work to do, entertainment,
and medical care. Perhaps this is the only place in
the world where every precaution has been taken against
AIDS. Six thousand people have gone through tests—no
other place has guts enough to put the whole city through
tests. They are afraid that they may find people who
have AIDS. And the people who feel perhaps they may
have it are not going through the test, for the simple
reason that if they are found positive, then even their
wives, their children, their parents, will reject them.
They will have no place in their own home. They will
not be allowed in any restaurant. Their own friends
will become their enemies. So they don't want to be
tested; the government does not want it, the hospitals
do not want it. And the fire is spreading; nobody wants
to recognize it, to see it. This is not intelligence.
Just closing your eyes does not mean that the enemy
has disappeared. We have found a few people with AIDS,
two persons. We have made a beautiful isolation place
for them; the best that we could afford has been given
to them. They have all our respect and love.
1984: A TASTE OF FASCISM
In October 1984, Osho decides to end
his period of silence and seclusion and resume his daily
talks. Curiously, his secretary Sheela is opposed to
this decision and tries to persuade him not to speak,
citing concerns about his health. It is finally arranged
that he will begin by speaking to small groups of people
in the living room of his home. At first, videotapes
of his talks are shown to the whole community on the
following day, in the large meditation hall. When Sheela
proposes that these showings should be suspended because
there is too much work to be done, the community revolts
and a compromise is worked out so that the videos can
be shown late at night, after the day's work is complete.Finally,
on September 14, 1985, Sheela and a close-knit group
of her supporters pack up and leave with all their possessions
and go to Germany. As soon as she is gone, an avalanche
of evidence emerges about criminal activities some of
her followers had been engaged in, including attempted
murder by poisoning of Osho's physician and caretaker,
firebombing of a county planning office, and wiretapping
of Osho's room and of phones and offices within the
community. Osho makes public all the information he
has received and offers his full cooperation to state
and federal investigators. Members of the press arrive
in droves to interview Osho and question him about how
such events could have taken place.
Q: IN MY MEETING SHEELA, CERTAINLY ONE COULD SEE HER
INTELLIGENCE,
at least in very practical matters, in her cleverness
about things, but you could also see the very oppressive
side, the very mean-spirited side as well. You must
have seen that being in contact with her every day?
A: I know! But it was needed for all those mean politicians
all around. I could not put the commune in the hands
of some innocent people—the politicians would
have destroyed it.
Q:But you didn't see what she was doing on the ranch
itself?
A: No, because I was never coming out and never meeting
anybody. . . .
Q: But if you're creating such a big experiment [as
the commune in Oregon], don't you think it would have
been helpful to have had at least one other person coming
to talk to you?
A: No. The experiment means nothing compared to my silence.
I am teaching everybody to be an individual and depend
on his own insight. And if he feels that he is being
forced to do something that he does not want to do,
he is perfectly capable of revolting against it. There
is no need to submit—and many people left.
Now there will be a totally different atmosphere—but
looking at the world, whatever happened, although it
was not good, only bad people could have managed it.
Good people could not.
Q: Over the last year I thought to myself, When is he
either going to get rid of Sheela or turn things around?
And it felt like maybe you were just letting her go
and do things.
A: I will do something only when I feel it is time.
When I saw that the point had come to do something,
I did it.
Q:How did you know the point had come to do something?
A: When her group poisoned my physician. That was the
point when I started asking my physician and my caretaker
about things, and I declared that I was going to speak
and meet with people. Then information started coming
by and by, and I started exposing Sheela and her group.
Then I informed the government, the police, the FBI—they
are all here, but they are doing almost nothing. We
have given them every proof—and they go on saying,
"We don't have any solid proof." I don't understand
what solid proof they want—do they want the person,
caught red-handed?
Q:Why did you wait nine months or so?
A: It was needed, because she was fighting so many legal
cases—I did not want to disturb things in the
middle. I wanted things to come to a conclusion from
where a new group could start. And this was the time,
when many cases are finished and the new cases will
start almost eight months later, so these new people
within eight months will be perfectly prepared to take
over. And they will be able to fight—there is
no problem.
Q: You play a very risky game.
A: Certainly! I am a risky person. And it is a game—I
know the right timings. I am just a referee, nothing
more.
•from an interview with James Gordon, The New
Yorker
growing revelations about the criminal activities of
sheela's group create a state of shock and disarray
within the community, and waves of hindsight arise about
the underlying strategy behind previously inexplicable
situations and events. As people begin to struggle with
the issues of personal responsibility and accountability,
Osho addresses these questions with increasing sharpness
in his daily discourses.
We are trying to live a different kind of life than
in the outside world. So there are only two ways: either
the way of Sheela or my way. I had chosen Sheela to
be my secretary to give you a little taste of what fascism
means. Now, live my way. Be responsible, so that there
is no need for anybody to dictate to you. . . .
If you want Sheela back, I can call her and her whole
gang, and give the commune to her. If you don't want
anybody to be dictatorial to you, then take responsibility.
And you are a group of very intelligent people, but
this is the trouble with intelligent people. They always
try to misuse freedom.
I would like to remind you that Germany is one of the
most intellectual countries in the world. It has given
to the world people like Kant, Hegel, Feuerbach, Karl
Marx, Sigmund Freud, Martin Heidegger—great philosophers,
great psychologists. And still a third-class crackpot,
Adolf Hitler, managed to get all the intelligentsia
of the country to follow him.
And I don't think humanity has learned anything out
of it. If you don't learn, then history repeats. If
you learn, then you can stop history from repeating
again.
Martin Heidegger was perhaps one of the most significant
philosophers of the century, and he was a contemporary
of Adolf Hitler. He supported Adolf Hitler—inconceivable!
The whole youth, which is the cream of the society,
its intelligence, all the universities' vice-chancellors,
professors—they all supported Adolf Hitler, a
man who was uneducated, a man who was refused from the
school of art, who was refused from the school of architecture
because he had no intelligence. This man became the
leader of the most intelligent country in the world,
and he created the most fascist regime. He killed almost
ten million people, and still people were supporting
him.
It has to be psychoanalyzed. What was the reason? The
reason was, Germany was defeated in the First World
War. And the intellectuals tend to fight among themselves.
They argue, rationalize, philosophize; they are not
physically active people. And they are egoists. They
think they have found the secret of life, every one
of them.
After its defeat in the First World War, Germany was
in a chaos. The chaos created Adolf Hitler, because
he promised, and he fulfilled the promise, "I can
make this country again united, again strong, so strong
that it can rule over the whole world."
It was something that was immensely needed. People were
not working, people were not being creative. Somebody
was needed to make the country again creative, disciplined,
and Adolf Hitler filled the gap. Within ten years Germany
was again a world power.
Strange—if you give people freedom, they become
lazy, they don't want to work. But if you give them
a fascist order, they work to their very potential;
they create, they are united, they become strong. Germany
went on winning for five years. That proved that the
people of Germany had chosen the right person—the
whole world on one side, and he alone was enough.
He gave the intelligentsia their ego as nobody had given
them before. He said to them that the Nordic German
race is the purest Aryan race, and it is its destiny
to rule over the world because all others are subhuman.
It was tremendously gratifying. The intellectual ego
was very much fulfilled, and even a man like Martin
Heidegger fell into the trap.
Only after Hitler was defeated and Germany was almost
destroyed, then people started looking back at what
they had done, what kind of man they were supporting:
a monster, a murderer who has killed millions of people— perhaps the greatest murderer in the whole of history.
So remember one thing: freedom is not license. Freedom
is responsibility. And if you cannot take your responsibility
yourself, then somebody is going to take the responsibility
on your behalf. And then you are enslaved.
People have been asking me how it happened that five
thousand people, almost all university graduates, having
the best qualifications from the best universities of
the world, could not see for four years what was happening.
The reason is that Sheela was not only doing something
ugly and fascist, she was also creating the commune.
She was also making the desert into an oasis. She was
making the commune comfortable in every way. Every coin
has two sides, so you looked at the light side. And
you were surrounded—which Sheela and her group
created—with hostility in Oregon. That is a simple
political strategy.
Adolf Hitler, in his autobiography, Mein Kampf, says
that if you want a nation to be strong, create enemies
all around it; otherwise, people relax. Keep them continuously
in paranoia, fearing that there is danger all around.
And Sheela created that. She created the hostility of
the Oregon government. She created the hostility of
Americans in general. That made you come close to each
other, become strong: "Be ready so that nobody
can harm you."
So if you don't take the responsibility, something like
that is bound to happen again. History certainly repeats,
because man does not learn.
ARREST
Osho has promised to cooperate with law enforcement
agencies to fully investigate Sheela's crimes, but investigators
turn most of their attention toward finding reasons
to indict Osho and the remaining residents of the city
instead. There are persistent rumors of a grand jury
indictment to come, charging Osho and several sannyasins
with immigration violations. But attempts by Osho's
attorneys to negotiate a peaceful surrender are rebuked
by U.S. Attorney Charles Turner, on the grounds that
it is "premature" to have such a discussion.
Meantime the National Guard has been mobilized into
position to stage an invasion of Rajneeshpuram.Amid
concerns that they intend to conduct an armed and aggressive
raid on the community, a decision is made to fly Osho
across the country to Charlotte, North Carolina. There,
it is reasoned, he can be out of harm's way while his
attorneys continue to try and clarify the situation.
When Osho and his staff land in Charlotte they are met
by heavily armed Customs agents and U.S. marshals, who
have been told to expect dangerous terrorists. Having
no warrant, the officers read out a list of suspects
that has been faxed to them from Oregon. None of these
people are on the plane; nevertheless all are arrested,
along with Osho, and taken to prisoner holding cells
in Charlotte's federal building.
In a hearing that begins three days later, the sannyasins
accompanying Osho are released, but the judge orders
that Osho be returned to Oregon for a separate bail
hearing. Authorities insist that he be taken on a prisoner
transport plane rather than flown in a commercial airline
or private jet. The prisoner transport plane takes six
days to complete the journey across the country, and
for one of those days the government refuses to reveal
Osho's whereabouts even to his own attorneys. It is
eventually learned that during this time he was being
held in a federal penitentiary in Oklahoma, under a
false name, allegedly for his own protection.
Osho is finally released on bail in Oregon, charged
with a string of immigration violations alleging that
he participated in arranging marriages among his disciples
and that he misstated his intent on his original tourist
visa application. After negotiations with Oregon officials,
Osho's lawyers remain very concerned for his safety
should the case proceed. Reluctantly, Osho agrees to
plead "no contest" to two of the thirty-four
charges against him and to leave the country.
His health declines dramatically as a result of his
imprisonment, although it will be more than two years
before his doctors begin to suspect that Osho was poisoned
while he was in government custody.
WHEN THEY DEPORTED ME, [U.S. ATTORNEY CHARLES TURNER]
ADMIT-ted in a press conference that I had not committed
any crime. The reason he gave for deporting me was: "We wanted to destroy the commune. That was our
priority." And without deporting me, it was impossible
to destroy the commune.
They arrested me without any arrest warrant and without
showing me any reason for arresting me. Just a piece
of paper on which there were a few names—"We
have been ordered that these people should be immediately
arrested."
I said, "But you should look at our passports!
My name is not on this paper; neither are the names
of the six people who are with me on this paper. You
are absolutely absurd. Just look at our passports and
compare with your names; you are arresting the wrong
people." Still, we were arrested.
In fact, they had no evidence at all to arrest me. But
they did not give me bail for twelve days. They arrested
me in North Carolina, and the flight from North Carolina
to Oregon, where the commune was located, was only five
hours. It took twelve days for me to reach Portland,
and they dragged me from jail to jail; in twelve days
I was dragged to six jails.
Only later on I became aware of it, when the British
experts in poisoning looked into my symptoms and gave
the verdict, that I was given a certain poison, thallium.
It is not detectable either from blood or from urine;
it simply disappears. I had all the symptoms—when
the poison disappears, it leaves certain kinds of sicknesses
in the body. This poison has been used against political
prisoners. But if you give it in a bigger dose, the
person dies immediately. That's why they wanted twelve
days, to give it to me in small doses so I would not
die in their jails—they would be condemned by
the whole world.
And when they released me, I was ordered to leave America
immediately, within fifteen minutes. My car was in front
of the courthouse and my jet plane was kept with its
engine running at the airport; I should leave immediately.
They were afraid that if I stayed one day more, I might
appeal to the Supreme Court. And there was every reason
for me to win the case, because none of their charges.
. . thirty-four charges against a man who was in silence,
had never moved out of his house. How can he commit
thirty-four crimes? And they had no evidence of any
crime.
When I saw democracy American-style at work ... it was
absolute nonsense to talk about democracy. Their Constitution
is just a showpiece for the world. The country consists
of criminals talking about freedom.
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